As NASA with Roskosmos to be friends banned
Some day today in the space program that words containing the letters “P” and “C” come to mind. Electro-L got sick, and here the State Department also forbids NASA to be friends with Roscosmos. The number of comments, under the news , as if hints that this question is of concern to many.
Upd: it turns out the State Department did not prohibit, and the ban came from the administration of NASA.
I'll try to clarify a little on my part, since I took up the space program. Moreover, I recently raised a related topic.
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As the news says in the retelling of Tapy.ru:
... the US government decided to suspend all contacts between NASA and Russian government representatives. The ban will affect the travel of NASA representatives to Russia, teleconferences, invitations of Russian officials to the agency's facilities, as well as correspondence with them by e-mail. An exception will be the joint work on the International Space Station and possible meetings at international events in third countries .
I do not know who it seemed to be here, but for me this is a purely demonstrative political gesture, which in fact will in no way affect either the space programs or the relations between the space agencies of the two countries.
Will explain.
As far as I know, relations between the United States and Russia in space are developing in several directions:
1) ISS
2) Deliveries of rocket engines for the American space program (literally today the American military apparatus flew on our engines).
3) Participation of the Space Research Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences in the LEND, HEND and DAN projects on the study of the Moon and Mars.
4) Participation of American radio astronomers in the international project Radioastron.
Now in order.
The ISS - everything is clear here - a unique international project that has no analogues in history. To close it because of some political squabbles is the height of recklessness. It can not be frozen either - it will fall. Therefore, we pull together.
Deliveries of rocket engines are also not folded. First, in the US, engines have already been delivered until 2017. Secondly, I know how Habré is loved by the private space company SpaceX, but the United Launch Alliance (Lockheed Martin and Boeing), Orbital Sciences, Sierra Nevada Corporation and others are also private companies. Therefore, any bans on the relationship of state officials - they are completely up to the lantern. Perhaps such a ban may affect the conclusion of future contracts that will require the participation of government representatives. But so far, there has been nothing heard about such negotiations, and if they are conducted on the sly, then no one will know that the State Department ban has been violated. And no one forbade meeting in the neutral zone. A bunch of aerospace salons and conferences are being held around the world, where everyone can go and calmly agree on anything.
The joint study of Mars and the Moon also does not stop and does not stop.
Everything is very simple: scientists are not officials. Nobody forbade them to cooperate and communicate. Yes, even if I tried to do it, something tells me that they didn’t really obey. The Russian rover drivers, being in Moscow, both drove Curiosity and drive (or, more precisely, fire Mars with neutrons). Russian nuclear physicists, as studied Mars and the Moon from an orbit, and study.
And another such moment: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, which deals with the management of NASA interplanetary vehicles, is also a commercial organization. Therefore, the ban on them, too, does not apply.
“ Radioastron ” is the same.
Upd: explanation from the head of the scientific program of the Radioastron project Yury Yuryevich Kovalev:
Those. as I said before: current bans could affect negotiations on any future joint projects. But I have not heard of such. Now we have much more agreements with Europe, for example, on the same ExoMars or JUICE. The European Space Agency is much calmer in the current situation. Russia for EkzoMarsa two rockets to Mars promised at their own expense, ESA is unlikely to refuse such a gift.
The situation as a whole is ugly, but IMHO is a purely demonstrative gesture, such as last year’s NASA outage .
Upd1: Although there are less optimistic points of view.
Upd2: And more . It seems that the situation will not significantly affect the fundamental programs, but by education and joint conferences, it’s not for fun.
Upd3: another opinion from the other side.
Upd: it turns out the State Department did not prohibit, and the ban came from the administration of NASA.
I'll try to clarify a little on my part, since I took up the space program. Moreover, I recently raised a related topic.
')
As the news says in the retelling of Tapy.ru:
... the US government decided to suspend all contacts between NASA and Russian government representatives. The ban will affect the travel of NASA representatives to Russia, teleconferences, invitations of Russian officials to the agency's facilities, as well as correspondence with them by e-mail. An exception will be the joint work on the International Space Station and possible meetings at international events in third countries .
I do not know who it seemed to be here, but for me this is a purely demonstrative political gesture, which in fact will in no way affect either the space programs or the relations between the space agencies of the two countries.
Will explain.
As far as I know, relations between the United States and Russia in space are developing in several directions:
1) ISS
2) Deliveries of rocket engines for the American space program (literally today the American military apparatus flew on our engines).
3) Participation of the Space Research Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences in the LEND, HEND and DAN projects on the study of the Moon and Mars.
4) Participation of American radio astronomers in the international project Radioastron.
Now in order.
The ISS - everything is clear here - a unique international project that has no analogues in history. To close it because of some political squabbles is the height of recklessness. It can not be frozen either - it will fall. Therefore, we pull together.
Deliveries of rocket engines are also not folded. First, in the US, engines have already been delivered until 2017. Secondly, I know how Habré is loved by the private space company SpaceX, but the United Launch Alliance (Lockheed Martin and Boeing), Orbital Sciences, Sierra Nevada Corporation and others are also private companies. Therefore, any bans on the relationship of state officials - they are completely up to the lantern. Perhaps such a ban may affect the conclusion of future contracts that will require the participation of government representatives. But so far, there has been nothing heard about such negotiations, and if they are conducted on the sly, then no one will know that the State Department ban has been violated. And no one forbade meeting in the neutral zone. A bunch of aerospace salons and conferences are being held around the world, where everyone can go and calmly agree on anything.
The joint study of Mars and the Moon also does not stop and does not stop.
Everything is very simple: scientists are not officials. Nobody forbade them to cooperate and communicate. Yes, even if I tried to do it, something tells me that they didn’t really obey. The Russian rover drivers, being in Moscow, both drove Curiosity and drive (or, more precisely, fire Mars with neutrons). Russian nuclear physicists, as studied Mars and the Moon from an orbit, and study.
And another such moment: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, which deals with the management of NASA interplanetary vehicles, is also a commercial organization. Therefore, the ban on them, too, does not apply.
“ Radioastron ” is the same.
Upd: explanation from the head of the scientific program of the Radioastron project Yury Yuryevich Kovalev:
NASA came out of all the "Spectra" many years ago ...
Now the situation is changing slowly.
And, for example, for RadioAstron, for the last six months I have been working to get NASA’s 70-meter DSN antenna at Goldstone to observe with RadioAstron, as one of many ground-based telescopes. With this, I expect, nothing will come of it because of the latest decisions of the State Department, and the consequences for NASA. But since they (Goldstone) have not yet begun to work with us, accordingly, this cannot be called a loss either.
Two more NASA antennas from DSN work with us at Robledo & Tidbinbilla (Spain). But they want this on account of their (national) time, and NASA should not be concerned with this.
Our contract tracking station at Green Bank (US) has nothing to do with NASA.
Our interactions with other foreign ground-based telescopes (Japan, Australia, Korea, China, Europe, USA, etc.) operate on the principle of scientific collaborations and the symmetric principle of open skies (open access to observational time for everyone through the call for proposals). It is precisely because we have built our work on this principle, and not on the principle of political interaction between countries, so far I do not see any negative consequences of recent known events.
Those. as I said before: current bans could affect negotiations on any future joint projects. But I have not heard of such. Now we have much more agreements with Europe, for example, on the same ExoMars or JUICE. The European Space Agency is much calmer in the current situation. Russia for EkzoMarsa two rockets to Mars promised at their own expense, ESA is unlikely to refuse such a gift.
The situation as a whole is ugly, but IMHO is a purely demonstrative gesture, such as last year’s NASA outage .
Upd1: Although there are less optimistic points of view.
Upd2: And more . It seems that the situation will not significantly affect the fundamental programs, but by education and joint conferences, it’s not for fun.
Upd3: another opinion from the other side.
Source: https://habr.com/ru/post/218183/
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