Hakon Wium Lie responds to the css3.info site about the petition
Hakon Wium Lie answers some questions on ccs3.info regarding a petition with two requirements:
1. "Stop shipping IE with Windows and / or provide alternative browsers"
2. “Get Microsoft to follow the fundamental open standards adopted by the web developer community”
You are trying to get Microsoft to "follow the fundamental and open standards adopted by the web developer community." What standards did you mean? CSS 2.1? CSS3? HTML 4? HTML 5? Any other? What makes these standards legally viable in your opinion?
If Microsoft fully supported the standards that it chose, the web would be a much better place. For example, in 1998, Microsoft stated:
“Microsoft has a dedicated committee for working with the W3C on HTML and CSS support. We have the first commercial implementation of HTML4, we have the first implementation of any part of CSS in general, and we put a lot of effort to complete CSS2. We are still committed to supporting the recommendations of the W3C (HTML, CSS, and DOM).
It is clear that Microsoft did not follow its promises to support the recommendations of HTML, CSS and DOM from the W3C. Therefore, in Opera or the European Union there is no need to highlight any standards - Microsoft has already done it. ”
You filed a complaint about the delivery of IE along with Windows, why didn't you do it about Apple too? I think MS is just an easy target for you. Microsoft will be convicted, they have a monopoly, but is Apple really different?
No, that's a huge difference. Microsoft is a monopolist, Apple is not. The court will find out and approve the decision. A monopolist cannot use its position in one area to become a monopolist in another. Microsoft achieved IE monopoly using Windows monopoly
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Why did you send the petition now?
First, now the browser is more important than ever before. This is not just a document viewer; it is a kind of platform in which the web application runs. That is why it is very important that users have a real choice among browsers. That's what the petition is about: a natural choice based on quality competition.
Secondly, the European Court made its decision in September, which is relevant to our petition. This is a case about imposing a media player along with Windows. Microsoft lost, without the right to appeal. Browsers are similar to media players, if you do not take into account that they are much more important. An important precedent has happened.
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1. "Stop shipping IE with Windows and / or provide alternative browsers"
2. “Get Microsoft to follow the fundamental open standards adopted by the web developer community”
You are trying to get Microsoft to "follow the fundamental and open standards adopted by the web developer community." What standards did you mean? CSS 2.1? CSS3? HTML 4? HTML 5? Any other? What makes these standards legally viable in your opinion?
If Microsoft fully supported the standards that it chose, the web would be a much better place. For example, in 1998, Microsoft stated:
“Microsoft has a dedicated committee for working with the W3C on HTML and CSS support. We have the first commercial implementation of HTML4, we have the first implementation of any part of CSS in general, and we put a lot of effort to complete CSS2. We are still committed to supporting the recommendations of the W3C (HTML, CSS, and DOM).
It is clear that Microsoft did not follow its promises to support the recommendations of HTML, CSS and DOM from the W3C. Therefore, in Opera or the European Union there is no need to highlight any standards - Microsoft has already done it. ”
You filed a complaint about the delivery of IE along with Windows, why didn't you do it about Apple too? I think MS is just an easy target for you. Microsoft will be convicted, they have a monopoly, but is Apple really different?
No, that's a huge difference. Microsoft is a monopolist, Apple is not. The court will find out and approve the decision. A monopolist cannot use its position in one area to become a monopolist in another. Microsoft achieved IE monopoly using Windows monopoly
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Why did you send the petition now?
First, now the browser is more important than ever before. This is not just a document viewer; it is a kind of platform in which the web application runs. That is why it is very important that users have a real choice among browsers. That's what the petition is about: a natural choice based on quality competition.
Secondly, the European Court made its decision in September, which is relevant to our petition. This is a case about imposing a media player along with Windows. Microsoft lost, without the right to appeal. Browsers are similar to media players, if you do not take into account that they are much more important. An important precedent has happened.
alternative translation from rojer
Source: https://habr.com/ru/post/17584/
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